Behind the Scenes of a Group Coaching Programme Launch with Stephanie Mackinnon

What actually happens when you launch your heart's work into the world? 

We've all heard about the emotional rollercoaster of launching, but what if you designed this around the ways you naturally connect, promote your work in a values-led way, and allow yourself to be supported? 

This is such a candid, joyful conversation about launching - with fab returning guest (and Ripen mentoring client), Stephanie McKinnon. 

Listen in if you are carrying an idea that matters deeply, but still wondering: Who am I to do this? Will anybody want it? And can I bring it into the world without exhausting/abandoning myself in the process?

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Stephanie McKinnon is a certified life and leadership coach whose work brings self-compassion, curiosity, community and joy to the question of how we live and lead beyond oppressive capitalist conditioning. 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:02

Hello and welcome to Current Inspire Coaches, where you build your self-belief and your business with under 30 minutes a week. I'm Stephanie Directs, your host, I'm a coach, supervisor, and unapologetic self-belief nerd. My method is simple. I want your coaching practice to feel like a right fucking feet. Let's go. Okay, loves. We've got such a treat in a conversation with Stephanie McKinnon today, returning champion to the podcast. Steph is a certified life and leadership coach. She is all about these pillars of self-compassion and curiosity and compute community and joy as a way of resisting oppressive capitalism. Like it's just so sweet. Hey Steph.

SPEAKER_02 0:54

Hey Smash it's a joy to be here again.

SPEAKER_04 0:57

I'm so glad you're here. And you know, we were just talking before we hit record that today is when we're recording the Aquarius Full Moon and the Jupiter Kazimi. We're both like astro nerds. Apparently, what did you say this is about planting the seeds?

SPEAKER_02 1:13

I listened to Chani for all of my astrology. And the one piece that stood out to me was today is the day about planting seeds for the type of conscious leadership you want to grow in your own life and in the world. And it was just like, all right, SAS is the perfect conversation. This is the perfect chat I need to be having to step past that sphere and talk about the dreams that I hold for myself and for those I work with. So yeah. What a treat.

SPEAKER_04 1:39

Perfect. So perfect. Um, so we are meeting up because you are currently in the middle of this beautiful launch for your new program, Rooted, which for coaches listening, if you're picking up what Steph's putting down around an anti-capitalist framework, a way of imagining a different kind of future than perhaps what we've been conditioned to believe is the only route forward. The conversations that Stepha is going to be having in this program, like you just so want to be part of that. Um, alongside all of the other skills and the real nuanced conversations around how do we do this? How do we make sense of this? Rather than kind of standing against something, like how do we stand for the world we want? Like it's just so good. I want if anyone's feeling that and you are wanting to be part of a small intimate container to really dive into this, please go check out Rooted. You know where you know where to look, right? In the show notes. Um, and so Steph, we've been kind of working together on this launch because you're in the ripen coaches community.

SPEAKER_02 2:54

Joe, for all.

SPEAKER_04 2:55

And it's so fun. It's so and it's been so fun to watch Rooted take shape. But I think what we both wanted to do with this conversation today is kind of strip back the myths and legends about what launching looks like and really talk about just a very human experience of what that is like and um kind of normalize all the stuff that goes on during a launch, right? Because there's just so much rubbish out there. Um so I wonder if you can just tell us a little bit about rooted, like where did the seed for this program get planted and how long ago?

SPEAKER_02 3:41

Uh if I think I put it at seven years recently in a conversation with you. But if we're being honest, it probably goes back even further. I did a master's in adult education and community development, which is the kind of like fancy way for me to say that I got to hang out with some really badass people and um academics who are doing incredible thinking and challenging the systems that we live in, um, that fundamentally shifted how I look at the world. It's the type of thing that once you have the glasses on, you can't unsee the world in that way. So it was the first time someone really challenged capitalism for me as something that's inevitable. And I think since then, a huge part of what I've been doing is trying to see how these theories that are otherwise stuck in an ivory tower can be brought into our day-to-day lives. Because I think when you dip your toe into speaking about political theory, a lot of people will go, oh God, I have no idea what you're talking about. Or they look explicitly outside of themselves. So maybe they're only looking at their work environment, maybe they're only looking at geopolitical um unfoldings, of which there are plenty at the moment. Um, and a huge portion of what I have been trying to figure out how to do um and increasingly doing is holding conversations for folks in my coaching around um what this looks like for us practically each day. And a huge portion of that has been around identifying the ways in which capitalism has influenced our dominant culture. So it looks like perfectionism, it looks like isolation, it looks like overwhelm, it looks like turning to our phones, scrolling in the evening for connection and not really knowing how to be in community anymore. It looks like feeling guilty for wanting better, and so many other iterations of it. It looks like black and white thinking of I either have to accept this and just get on with it, or blow it all up and start over completely. So, over the last five or six years, I've been increasingly bringing this framework into my one-on-one coaching, but there is a ceiling that gets hit with that because ultimately a huge part of the joyful way I imagine a post-capitalist future is in community. So in order to create those connections and that learning across um across folks, not just like, not just something I'm holding in one-on-one chats, um, was to to build the group program for it. And and that's that's the next iteration. That's where Rudic comes in. That's where I imagine the brilliant humans who are dreaming of and already walking toward, in many ways, better, a more just and equitable future for all in the small, sustainable, impactful day-to-day actions um coming together to know how it feels to be seen, supported, and held by one another. Um, and that what they are envisioning is not silly. Because it's so easy to dismiss and diminish um what we dream of in a world that wants to instant gratification all the time or constantly tells us we're not enough.

SPEAKER_04 7:21

You know, um, one of the things that I love about rooted and the whole concept of the program is that I think you're doing something really unique and smart in that a lot of the things that you talk about about the kind of where this stuff comes from, the geopolitical stuff, the big system thinking stuff, feels even hearing you say that, I just go, I don't know enough to challenge, like it's quite it can be quite elitist that that realm of thinking, right? Which is another facet of capitalism.

SPEAKER_02 7:55

Intentionally so was what I was gonna say.

SPEAKER_04 7:57

Yeah, and what I think you're doing in such a really kind way is saying, hey, you don't need to know all of that stuff. What we need to think about is kind of from the ground up in your existing life as a as a creative, as an artist, as a coach, as a leader, as a parent, as someone who is consciously aware of a human, right? Like whatever role you play in your life where you see these impacts, we're starting from there. Like you're meeting your people exactly where they are and saying, hey, we don't need all this elitist stuff, the ivory tower stuff, but what we can see is how do we work with the impact of what that theory tells us in a really practical way.

SPEAKER_02 8:47

Yeah. And I think, yes, thank you for naming that. Like people do not need a pre-developed analysis of capitalism and systems collapse and oppression and exploitation in present day, which look, we can see.

SPEAKER_04 9:01

Thank God, we've all been in circles, right? As progressive thinkers, where you kind of need to have all of that before you go in and you just feel excluded and like, well, you're not going to eat.

SPEAKER_02 9:13

Not at all. Yeah. But I do also think that there's some folks who have a lot of that analysis that come to me, but one of the gorgeous things I get to invite them into is like, where do you fit in all of this? Because I know having had the privilege of developing the analysis in some of those Ivory Tower spaces, I consistently forgot myself. So having the space to lovingly turn that analysis back onto us and go, well, wait, I must be part of the direction forward. And how are these systems impacting me? Is also um a huge component of this. And it's not to say, look, the system has done everything and you have no control, it's rather to lift the veil of shame and guilt that gets put on us so much that then further perpetuates the isolation, overwhelm, and disconnection. So and so many other things. So it's to we start from a place of acknowledging that the world was not built for everyone. Very it was built to perpetuate the hoarding of resources for the very few, and it's increasingly obvious everywhere right now, uh, and the destruction of the earth alongside that, and and and then from that place, we're not burying our heads in theory that will that will go alongside us. I'm there to bring it back to the day-to-day, but it's where do we situate ourselves in this moment that um doesn't dismiss or diminish the systems that are operating around us, but informs how we move forward to dream and build beyond it.

unknown 11:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 11:11

And to have fun while we're doing it, right? I think this is such heavy stuff. And what I love is how much fun you're in play and creativity and connection you're building into this so that it doesn't feel like you're at a Dow University lecture and become all doomed at all.

SPEAKER_02 11:30

So much room for silly. And I think um the thing that always stands out to me, and I don't even notice I'm doing it, is like if my partner's in the house when I'm on a coaching call, he I'll leave, I'll come out of the room after and he'll be like, You were laughing so much. And I'm always like, was I? Because it just like the joy has to come alongside this, or it's not sustainable. Like we must follow and cultivate the joy.

SPEAKER_04 11:58

So like you're like I can't remember the quote. It's something like, I can't come to your rebellion if there's not dancing. Like, I really feel that so deeply. I think joy, rest, play, these are absolutely so important in a world that wants you productive at all costs. Yeah. Yeah, love it. So I noticed, Dev, that you said that you had the rooted idea, the concept about seven years ago. And here we are bringing it to life. And I'm wondering, like, tell me about that process. Like, why did why did it take seven years? How are we feeling about that now?

SPEAKER_02 12:42

Yeah, I think look, there's a whole spectrum of feelings that I have as soon as we talk about that. So, um, in the interest of not making this a six-hour podcast. Um the first is that like I think some things take time and it's okay that it took time. Like that just feels so aligned with everything else I just said. Um and the first learning for me was like, how do I bridge these two worlds that I felt were very different? So I came in with the academic, the nonprofit experience, and then the coaching world felt like really wrapped up in like we're just gonna abundantly manifest our individual desires. Um and I was like, how do I create a bridge across these? How does how do I take pieces of each side that feel true to me? Um, so even bringing some of my analysis into my one-on-one was something I like dip my toes into. But I think in the last year or so um of working with you, um, before that, there was a couple other mentors that I had that were like, Stephanie, you need to do this work. Like, you need to tell people that you're doing this work. Because it's one thing to do it, it's another thing to like name that I'm doing it. So I think I started like quietly behind the scenes. Like people would refer to me when they had had this experience of anti-capitalist coaching for lack of a more nuanced explanation. Um, and then their phones would be like, Hey, I hear you do this thing. And I was like, Yeah, I do come. So that I was like building the trust that, like, okay, people value this, they see it. I don't only need to talk about these things in academic spaces. Um, and there's an interest in it, and I'm seeing the results in people's lives in real time. Like the full sigh shoulder drop. Oh, there is maybe a third way. There is maybe, there is, in fact, another way. I don't have to choose between these false dichotomies in my life. I don't have to um abandon my values to climb the corporate ladder I don't actually give a shit about. And I don't have to blow the whole thing up and live on a remote island commune. Yeah. I mean, like, which also sounds cool in some ways. Um so there was the like letting myself do the work and be like, oh, building the trust. And then I think the big thing that you've helped me with over the last year, um was like telling people I'm doing it, like naming it, putting it on web pages, speaking it out in the world on social media, but also in my day-to-day life, like the ownership over it and rooting into that, really. So yeah, I think um I wish I could remember the exact quote, but Katie Kurtz, um, the trauma-informed leadership um expert always talks about like um we build trust at the pace of our nervous system. And I feel like I uh I need it to build trust in myself that like this um this was what I'm this is what I'm meant to be doing. So yeah.

SPEAKER_04 16:20

I think it's so um astute to kind of see all of that. Like good thing good things take time. Like we don't have to have an idea and then launch it in six weeks. You know, that that's the kind of vibe that's out there in the world, right? That kind of girl boss hustle stuff.

SPEAKER_02 16:38

Immediate, yeah, immediate gratification that Amazon has put into all of our heads as a reality.

SPEAKER_04 16:45

And and that's the thing, right? Maybe your body of work isn't a one-click order, right? No, it's amazing. Um, and I think as well, like the trust piece feels very true. It's something I felt as well, like in bringing a a kind of you know, methodology together. It's like I've and I had convinced myself I probably need to go get a PhD before I can teach this legitimately. Like I wonder, was there a bit of that in there too?

SPEAKER_02 17:16

Like a huge like, who the F am I to do that? Yeah, like who who do you think you are like telling people how to do anything? And I think there's two, even as I said that I was like, oh god, that's not the language.

SPEAKER_01 17:32

But the the pieces of that, the first layer is I'm not telling anyone how to do anything.

SPEAKER_02 17:40

Like I am holding space for people to recognize the wisdom they already have within themselves that they've like pushed below the surface because of cultural conditioning that's told them they're not enough, and then how to cultivate the courage to listen and act on that. Um so I think that comes with a really beautiful reminder that I don't actually have to have everything figured out because perfectionism is also a capitalist illusion. Um and the for anyone else listening who is a coach or who has dreamed a vision into existence and tried to create something that has never existed before, God, it is so deeply vulnerable. And sharing your heart and your work with the world is like the biggest mirror of personal growth and change in the world. So, like, I'm never gonna bypass those bits. So I think that's also part of the um why it takes time.

SPEAKER_04 18:43

Yeah, yeah. Well, and and it's one of the conversations that we've been having on an ongoing basis around how do we not just create the program that's your heart's work, but bring it into the world in a way that doesn't create real craziness in your nervous system and that kind of panic and hustle.

SPEAKER_02 19:04

It's also sustainable. Like what a novel aligned idea that like we have to kill ourselves to get something out in the world that's about not killing yourself. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 19:15

So I I really I I'm reminded of our session where we went through your launch plan together, you know, we did that. And I'm wondering like, can you kind of tell us a little bit about the thinking around the way that you were launching Breed and what how did you know it was feeling good to you? What did we decide? All of that.

SPEAKER_02 19:35

Well, I mean, I think the cornerstone of all of this is that I started a podcast, so which was also something that I had been thinking about for a couple years. So dipped my toes in the water of that first, did over two years a handful of interviews to be like, okay, yeah, I do actually really like this format. Um, chatting is the way that I process a lot of things. So what a joy to be able to do that live alongside other people and kind of flatten the hierarchy. And I really wanted it to feel like folks were sitting down at the kitchen table or in the sitting room having a cup of tea with me as I spoke to people. So there was a lot of like who am I vibes again. So to have the support of um ripen to be able to voice those fears as they come up, like I am a coach who will always be coached. So, like, as we get stretched, may we be supported. Um but I think once we identified that this thing that would be the cornerstone of the launch, um, the podcast uh was the approach, I then just got to lean into the joy of what an absolute treat that I get to sit down with six people whose company I adore and have interesting conversations. And then I just get to share them with people. And I think um that just came from such a place of like generosity and abundance and um care. Uh, that to know that that's part, a huge part of what I get to talk about feels so much easier because it is a gift. I mean, not everyone will like it, but that's not the point. But um, to know that there's a way to share your stuff with the world that doesn't just feel hard was such a uh revolution.

unknown 21:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 21:38

Honestly, I think it's a total game changer when you kind of we'll do what you're doing, right? Imagine you get to share your heart's work with the world in a way that feels really good and fulfilling and joyful for you. Because I think we've got this whole narrow, we've got this very narrow view. You've got to be part. Posting on Instagram every day, otherwise, can you even call yourself a coach? And to me, those things are so diametrically opposed. Like they are, there is no Venn diagram that says if you're a coach, you're also on Instagram. Like, but it could be if that's joyful for you, right? So it's very much about, you know, a couple of principles that I bring in. Is it clients, is your offer client-centered, right? Are you actually speaking to your people and centering them in the offer? And does it feel fun for you? And I think when that Venn diagram is a pancake, stack of pancakes, then things get really fun because you you're creating a very organic demand for what you're doing.

SPEAKER_02 22:46

Big time. And I think it's important for those listening to know that like I have absolutely still had moments of going, oh shit, like what am I doing? What if no one signs up? What if, what if, what if, like, I am still very human. I am still actively trying to remember that I am not my business and my business is not me, that rooted, it exists in its own entity, and the beauty and the process of creating something I absolutely adore and believe in is like such a moment of growth for me in and of itself. I've learned so much about myself and the process of doing this. I've learned about my edges and like asked for so much help in like holding the hard bits there. Writing emails as part of a launch still feels like so hard for me, but like SAS has just held my hand through every moment of that, which is again the gift of being supportive when you're stretched. But I think knowing that a core piece of what we have planned around is something I adore, not just doing but sharing, um brings a level of spaciousness and fun that makes it feel way more sustainable. But yeah, I just thought it was really important to be like, not hard, this feels easy.

SPEAKER_03 24:12

No, oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_02 24:14

And I I I don't think that's what you're saying, but I was like, let me be so transparent that like I still have to like regularly catch myself and be like, okay, remember why you're here.

SPEAKER_04 24:27

Yeah, yeah. I love that you bring that up. That was gonna be my next question around the the sticky. And it's yeah, I just what I have what's been a real joy for me is how, and I think this is one of the reasons I just love supporting coaches, is we kind of take our own medicine a bit, you know, like there has been like, can I be visible? How am I to say this kind of stuff? You know, is it good enough stuff? And also, it doesn't have to be perfect. I I do who else but me to do this, and I want to do this, you know, like so there is that like level of self-awareness and an ability to kind of almost like just zoom up a bit and go, oh, I can see that this is a little bit of a stressful time. And so it makes total sense that I would be coming up with these thoughts to sort of hold myself back and all of that stuff, you know?

SPEAKER_02 25:27

To create the illusion of safety, right?

SPEAKER_04 25:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:30

Well, it's not like we all deserve to be safe, but I think in those moments of stretchiness, so much of the work that you talk about, Sass is like the contraction that comes from a learned place of like this is this is what my old brain thinks is really helpful and gonna keep me safe right now.

SPEAKER_04 25:51

Totally.

SPEAKER_02 25:52

Because I don't want to be embarrassed, I don't want to, you know, have people see me fail, like all of the worst case. If I can imagine all of the worst case scenarios in this vulnerable moment, I can prepare for them, which is just like not how we want to be doing.

SPEAKER_04 26:07

Yeah, we want to be manifesting the unicorns, right? Yeah, on the luckiest day of the year.

SPEAKER_02 26:12

On the luckiest day of the year, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 26:15

Well, so tell me about your your vision now. Like, I'm wondering, um, like what is this process teaching you about the kind of business you want to build, like how you want to show up to it? What are you discovering about what's possible?

SPEAKER_02 26:32

I think I just the vision I continue to come back to, and sometimes I actually imagine it in real life because Zoom is funny. It like allows um beautiful conversations like this. It allows me to work with people all over the world, the connections it bridges is stunning. But I imagine us sitting in this like lush circle, beautiful throat cushions, lots of plants, warm cups of tea and coffee, and just having people who give a shit about the world, who are trying to live differently, who believe in better, feel seen and supported by one another and the joy of witnessing the learning across the space as people grow in their confidence as leaders to inspire more of that in their own, in their own lives, in their own families, in their own communities, uh, workplaces, whatever it may be. So I think for me, it's less about um doing is one of the things I was thinking about this morning, and more about a way of being. So I think when I hold that as a reminder, it also shifts into how I want to live. I want the space to be alive, to be present, uh, to be connected, not just busy. Busy is a way I never ever want to describe myself. So when I feel myself tipping toward that, it's like, do I just need to go lay on the grass? I know that sounds so silly, but like uh I actually think for me, being very lucky to live by the ocean, it's do I need to go throw myself in the sea? Like to just remember that all of this busyness is part of the cultural conditioning that we must always be doing more to be worthy. Yeah. So yeah, this program feels like a space to hold myself and those beautiful souls I'm inviting in to on this journey with me, on this nine-month leadership journey with me, um to reconnect to the being and remembering both that another way of being has come before and another way will come again. And how do we connect to that in our day-to-day? So I think spaciousness is a huge piece of what I want for folks and for myself. And that then comes into the material practicalities of like, how do we get paid properly for the work that we're doing? Because so many um passionate people out in the world are told, uh, Sarah Yefe writes an incredible book called Work Won't Love You Back. And it talks about how our passion gets co-opted by capitalism to tell us we should be underpaid because we love it. So there's part of that. It's like, how do we find the spaces and ask for what we actually need? How do we not feel guilty, slowing down? So, yeah, I think um this program is part of me creating, stepping toward my own life that feels a bit more spacious and oriented around the type of work I want to be doing. The not having every moment of every working day allocated in a diary or a calendar, like having space for spontaneity, having space for creativity, having whatever it is you're craving more of, and not diminishing that as valuable alongside um your income-producing activities. So how and I know that some of this might sound like wishful thinking, because I know that we're living through a cost of living crisis, but um I think there's lots of things that we don't realize we can ask for that step us closer to that. Is it the raise? Is it the flexible work week? Is it the recognizing that your hobby is actually something you should be paid for if that feels right? Because also it might not, because you don't want it to become totally co-opted by being a consumable good, you know. So there isn't a right way for anyone, but I think there's a huge amount of questioning of what am I telling myself I'm not worthy of asking for and cutting it out before it's even a possibility.

SPEAKER_04 31:16

Yeah, I love that so much. And I it and having been sort of ringside as you've been designing Rooted, it feels to me like a massive translation exercise. Like for any coach who thought, well, I don't love capitalism, but does this mean I just have to be really accessibly priced? Like this conversation is so much richer and more nuanced and complex and fun and full of possibility than that. And I think it it is the conversation that we need out there in the world. And and it's so fun to see rooted be out there. And now you're having people say yes, right? You're having people sign up.

SPEAKER_02 31:57

Well, and that's just like the most heart-exploding moment possible. I have a couple more consults this week, um, as I'm asking folks to apply to have a human conversation to see, you know, why they want to be part of it. Is it the right fit? But um, yeah, it's it's super exciting seeing it come to life. And uh yeah, yeah. I really I love the last point that you made around the um, I'm coming back to it. The last point you made around um, like, do you just need to almost charge nothing to be anti-capitalist? Yeah, and like absolutely not. Please don't do that.

SPEAKER_04 32:36

Yeah, yeah. I think you might actually have to charge more.

SPEAKER_02 32:40

You might yeah, yeah. And I think the question rather than that becomes rather than do I charge less, it becomes um, what does success look like me beyond the profit margin? So I think we've been taught to measure success explicitly by the bank account balance. But what I encourage people to consider is not what version of success has been sold to them, but what it looks like. What does your day look like if you're successful? And what does that cost? And that's how much you need to be making rather than what somebody else told you. For some people, that might still be six figures. Like, who knows how many people you're responsible for and what your costs are? For others, it might be significantly less than that. But it's what is the value of your time? What is the value of everything else in your day-to-day? Are there other passions you have that you want to have time for? Are there other caregiving responsibilities? Are there other, God forbid, things you'd like to do for yourself? Um I know, radical, but anyway, I just that piece felt really important. So it's not that we just go, yeah, hoard resources. Great. Obviously, not the vibe. The vibe is let's get really clear on money as a tool rather than money as the goal.

SPEAKER_04 34:06

Love it. And then you come back to not how much income do I want to make, but how much impact can I have? How much impact can my work have? And to me, just feels like a totally different conversation.

SPEAKER_02 34:20

Completely. Yeah, it's about the thing the the resources become a means to an end of what you're trying to do in the world rather than the goal in and of themselves.

SPEAKER_04 34:29

Totally.

SPEAKER_02 34:30

And to not have them then takes away from all of those other things. If you're constantly worrying about cash, which I have been in that position, I know many who have, like, that's not you being resourced in the world. That's not you able to show up and be in your life. So I think that's a huge piece. It's like we all we all deserve to be paid well. Millionaires shouldn't exist, but we all deserve deserve to be paid well. So yeah, thank you for letting me back to that.

SPEAKER_04 35:01

So I guess my last question is really like, um what is this launch teaching you about the possibility of this program?

SPEAKER_01 35:22

I think the biggest thing that's standing out to me on this day is like having the courage to be the big bright version of yourself is scary as fuck.

SPEAKER_02 35:37

And it shows us that things are possible beyond what we could have ever imagined. Um and it's really incredible to hold that for myself while I invite other people into doing the same thing alongside me. It's been stunning and a real honor to receive the feedback from people of how the podcast is landing with them, to get the stories of what it brought up for them. And knowing that I had to be so seen, I had to really loudly, proudly show up as myself to make those moments of connection happen. Um it feels really exciting. So I think I don't know exactly what the future holds, but there's a real excitement in what are the possibilities if I continue to let myself be seen and show up with a really open heart for what the connections that come in when I am willing to be seen are. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 36:56

I love it so much. I wonder what you would say I lied about this being my la that being my last question. I wonder what you would say to another coach who maybe has something that they are seeding but is feeling like really hesitant about can I do this? Will it work? Will anyone want it? Like what would you what advice would you offer them?

SPEAKER_01 37:18

One step at a time. Yeah. Who's someone you trust that you can share it with first?

unknown 37:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:28

Like let the trust carry, you know?

SPEAKER_02 37:32

Um and having a space where you can air those fears rather than try to ignore them, I think allows for the learning to come through with them. Right? Being seen and supported and celebrated in our successes and in our ideas is amazing, but so too is the importance of like not having the fears judged or minimized. Not getting stuck in them, not being like, okay, well, I guess we can't. Yeah. Um but I think to be seen in your whole self, um, to realize that okay, maybe there is a way I can move past this if now is is the moment I really want to do it. So yeah. Go gently but steadily if you can.

SPEAKER_04 38:25

Yes, yeah, yes. Love it. I'm so delighted for you, for all the people that are gonna join Rooted for how this program evolves. Yeah, just always cheering you on, Steve. Thanks for being here.

SPEAKER_02 38:39

Thank you so much for this chat and for holding all of it alongside me as we do this. So yeah, a real joy.